WHY YOUR ECHOES SUCK! (and how to fix them) - Best Echo Leveling Tips for Wuthering Waves End Game (2024)

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I'm on day 6 still trying to find the Healing Bonus main stat from that damn Tortoise 💀

Glacio damge of Havoc set and Havoc damge on Glacio set, we all felt that

How dare you, my Rover is fine with his 5% CR and 192% CD.

I FEEL LIKE THIS GOES WITHOUT SAYING BUT BECAUSE I DIDNT SAY IT IN THE VIDEO:
GET YOURSELF A FULL SET OF THE RIGHT MAINSTATS FIRST
THIS VIDEO IS TARGETTING END GAME AFTER YOU HAVE ALREADY GIVEN EVERYONE THE RIGHT MAIN STATS AND NEED TO MINMAX/UPGRADE

Sounds good, to those who have plenty of extra time farm limitless

First of all, how dare you call me out with that title like that, second of all, thank you I needed this guide, my DPS is so low 😂😂😂

This good tip on tuning echo cause I’ve been just been fully tuning them without thinking at all

cost 3 are the hardest, you have to have the right element dmg bonus on the right set and the right substats. There's no offset, so if you get fusion dmg bonus on a havoc set then it's completely useless

So the main issue is to have infinite free time to actually keep grinding. But you may as well burn out in the process

this is only applicable only to 4 cost echoes since you can farm them infinitely, for cost 3 echoes, you really cant throw away your elemental 3 cost just because the 1st roll is trash lmao

now there are 2 Things i want to point out before people start to min max their sets:
1. You still should have atleast some sort of set Equiped even if it has bad stats, those stats can still be an improvement over no Stats since i see a lot of people just leveling their echoes to 5 and then trash them just to waste the very limited early resources and not using some of those, what i did was with the few first 5* Echoes i had, that i leveled them to like 15 and just tuned them to get some stats out of my character and did that with most DPS for my 2 Teams and then started minmaxing to get better echoes since even the bad ones can boost your strenght in the tower and other content so dont just trash the echo, use them if they can give you some sort of value
2. DO NOT level up past 20 in the beginning, something that people dont seem to know but the amount of EXP you need to go from 20 - 25 is almost the same as when you level from 0-20 so its not worth in the beginning to level your echoes to 25, if you have good rolls, stop at 20 for now until you have all the echos ready and just then start leveling to 25 because you dont want to waste that much exp for 1 Substat if you could get 4 with the same amount of resources
3. you can be very Picky with 1 Cost Echoes, since the Mainstats are extremly limited with them, trying to max them out first is probably your best decission, so i would recommend for your Pickyness 1 Cost > 4 Cost > 3 Cost, its gonna be a while till you get the perfect 3 Cost unit but for 1 and 4 Cost that might be easier to achieve and since Substats are Equal( as in the range and chances are the same no matter the cost) its worth going for the 1 cost and 4 cost and just take the 3 cost as they are, the DMG bonus from the Main Stats is important as well and you dont need to get the Perfect set right from the start so its worth taking a "bad" echo that just has slightly good stats over no Stats

Another tip: if all you're doing for the day is farm echoes, you can lower your world level and go around 1-2 shotting everything. It can be changed every 12 hours; and you do it by going to the pause menu, next to your union level display (under avatar), find an exclamation mark and tap it.

I don't think i have the leverage to scrap a 3 cost echo that has elemental damage with only a single crit substat, sh*t is just way too rare

Nah just focus on main stats and don't burn yourself with how the rng drops on main stats are dog water. Also we don't even have that much exp mats cause they're dog sht of a drop soo spreading exp ain't a good thing to tip. We're still in the early game so just focus on getting the right stats on 433 then you're good.

Thank you for all this knowledge after i already spent all my echo exp

This actually really help, thanks brax ♥️

Been farming mephis for my calcharo, 10 in a row are purple drops so i gave up... Still using my crit rate purple mephis up to this day (it has heavy attack, er, cd, attack%)

honestly farming for more than a few echoes with correct mainstat sounds soul crushing

i love the mech abomination not as an echo but as a boss, its so ominous and it never disappoint

thank you so much . I hope your tips will help me a lot in the future

This video just saved my account dude thank you

I was very confused on how I should be farming echoes, but now I have a plan on what to do, thank you o.0

i wish they can add a feature in the future that lets you change a specific sub roll from an echo... i feel it's gonna come, hopefully 🤞🏼

I think it will be good tip to people who just start farming orange echoes, to just find ones with right mainstat for your main damage dealer and upgrade them to max, you will probably have some luck in substats and it will good starting point before maxing everything.

Wow another way to minmax scarce resources. This is actually informative and in regards to echo farming and tuning. I guess i have to farm havoc bonus for Havoc MC and to build Yinlin's echoes but im using this method. So I hope I get lucky in tuning.

Thanks Brax!

I've just been getting into Hologram and holy this is super helpful

Tip : Use the data bank merge system. You can get some good 3 cost and 1 cost gold echos.

you could add what to do with a upgraded bad echo. You get the exp spend on them, but how much exp is lost by melting it. You loose the tuning resource but you gain majority of the exp spend.

Very nice and good tips 👍🔥

Thank you. Now i understand what i want and what i need. 👍

at UL 40 you get 15 gold tuners and about 20k exp from tacet fields. a +5 echo requires 10 gold tuners and about 4k exp. after about 12 +5 echoes, you'll have enough exp stockpiled to fully level the echo once you get the stats you want. once you've stockpiled that much, you might as well start going to +15, which requires 30 gold tuners and about 40k exp, otherwise you'll have excess exp. you have a higher chance of getting the substat if you already got one you don't want because substats can't be duplicated

Hint from a MMORPG-Player: Two friends and myself did it like this: I lowered my world, then everyone had three bosses assisgned. Then you just rotate around your three bosses and kill them. After half an hour, you can make a short coffee break and go to every boss location and get A LOT of stacked echos. Then repeat for as long as you want (and have coffee or alcohol lol). Fun fact: If the world owner needs to go off, the world still stays online for 15 min. So you can go on with farming (for ONLY 15 MIN!!!), teleport, boss respawn etc. Have fun farming :)

Echo exp will be more available the higher your Ascension level is. Lvl 39 below is letting you force to use Purple echoes, there's a different material to use to Tune echoes for each blue, purple and gold echoes

I'm not sure if I fully agree but I understand the sentiments on why only roll for 1 tuning, but my gripe with WuWa's echo sytem is that it takes so much time to farm especially for 3-cost echoes cause you have to go all over the map to find the TDs. moreover, what's worse is the probability of gettin the set + the elem dmg corresponding on the set. Unlike in Genshin goblets where you can still use the goblet with elem dmg that may not be appropriate for the artifact set - like Deepwood with Hydro Dmg, you can still use it especially if it has good substats as off-piece. In WuWa, you won't be able to use 3-cost echoes with different elem dmg on an elem set - Glacio Set with other Elem dmg set aside from echoes. I find the building og characters more tedious in WuWa despite not needing waveplates to farm for these, but the probability og getting the correct elem dmg on a correct set is just crazy. Then if you got the proper one, next issue now is getting the proper substats. My biggest issue with this is the need for materials just to tune the echoes. These are quite limited - unlike in genshin where you get the substats just from leveling the artifacts, WuWa's echoes need separate materials for substats - and then you need separate materials to level echoes - you cannot use other echoes unless they are leveled up. I don't know, whoever decided the echoes to be farmed this way is crazy...

this video has made me realize its good that im cheap because ive been doing this
it does help a lot!! definitely a good tip

thanks for the guide and I'll still proceed with what I usually do 🤣

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Oh wow, me being dumb just mindlessly upgraded Ferilian Beringal wifh crit rate. Good thing tune gave me additional crit rate of 9.9%.
Thanks for this! I will definitely follow this suggestion.

Thanks very reasonable advice cant believe I didn't think of that... Maybe I was just impatient

I've been leveling all my echoes to 10 and checking my first 2 substats every time. But I play this game a lot and don't mind farming, so I will take the lvl 5 advice because I am starving for echo exp.
Great video, great tips, thank you 🙏

“What’s taking damage on the background” literally me while I’m just looking for Resobeacons to activate across the map

Ty for the vid!

I think it is always up to how powerful you currently are. Having no decent main stat echos could make things hard for you in higher world levels, If a piece main stat and set aligns together then I'll upgrade it to lvl 20 (not 25) no matter what, and then after having a full lvl 20 set with the right main stats I'd then try to min max and care about the perfect rolls aka only upgrading when i get decent sub stats

Whats important to mention, this makes this whole thing very easy to understand, its literally the bread and butter of this. is that GETTING ECHOES DOESNT CONSUME YOUR ENERGY, its completely free, you just have to put in time to farm them, but you can do it as much as you want to. GETTING TUNERS DOES HOWEVER, thats why you should save your 5 star tuners as much as possible, and treat echoes as disposables.

I mean if you only tune on one substats to measure luck, then it would also be a waste not to open the next tuning, sometimes luck can also be around the corner and you're ditching it right after the 1st. Personally, I would go for a few more tunings, because you need at least 2 critical substats and energy recharge, after all, you are on the preferred main stat, so a +15 first for me though, especially it being a very low drop chance.

Before tossing any 3 costs as fodder, since it's very hard to get 3 costs with right main stat and element set, I would advice to keep the one you have even with bad rolls until farming and rolling better substats.

A little tip for all the fodder: If you use them to level up other echoes, you will retain some of the tuners used for sub stats, so that way it's not a complete waste of materials, and you can save some of your exp tubes in the process. Hope that helps!

I've actually been doing this already. If I have an abundance of echoes with the correct main stat, I'll gradually level them up, stopping every time I get a bad stat. However, the correct DMG bonus echoes are quite hard to obtain, so I'll check until 3rd tuning and see how it goes. If I get more bad stats, I would obviously stop...BUT sometimes I get this intrusive "what if" I get a good stat on the next tuning (because the odds of having bad stats is now lower), so I go all the way lol

Is lingering tunes good echo set on Lingyang? I know the ice set is good but the recommended echo for it sucks to use against fast bosses so the Mecha is kinda better in terms of use

When you say "get rid of this" after getting a bad roll on a +5 or something, what exactly do you mean? What's the best way to recycle an echo?

I am the epitome of casual lately. And I wasn't lucky enough to get into the Beta for this game, so I have MANY Questions on the whole Echo System...! This was one of them. Thankfully, I'm so far behind the curve that all the mistakes that I've been making so far don't really matter since I am not even to the point of getting 5-star Echos yet! So thanks for the video, as this will definitely help me!
However, what is the "COST" on each echo mean? I've seen someone mention having 4-3-3-1-1 builds and that flew well over my head. I do see that each echo has a number in the corner, and I'm guessing this is that cost that was mentioned, but what's it mean? What does that cost mean to an echo and for your build? What does the 4-3-3-1-1 build do for your character? Why wouldn't we want 4's all the way down? And is it a DPS build? Would it be advantageous to have different build types for healers vs quick-swap characters vs other?
Maybe I should take this to discord or Reddit, but since I'm here and it helps you get engagement on the video, I figured I'd try here first! (See, I'm helping!)
Thanks again and catch you later! (Someday I hope to catch your streams again... Life just gets in the way sometimes.)

flat stats are pretty good in this game, 50 atk when you have like 2k at max, is 2.5% overall dmg increase, when your 8% basic attack dmg increase is additive 8% to you already having like 100% other dmg increases which makes it 4% only to basic, when even basic attack characters deals like 50% of their dmg from basic attacks, making it only 2% overall dmg increase
dont trash flat atk, most of the time its better than dmg% increases

Long term this is good advice, but starting out, I really just want to have a base +25 proper set on my main dps with the right mainstats to be able to do all or nearly all the content in the game I can for my level, and to only then start min maxing replacements, in which I'd start with the pieces that have the worst substats first when looking for replacements. It's a drag doing the tougher content with like +10 echos is a major reason as to why.

thanks for the tips sir it rally hlp me as new commer ^^

seriously needed this guide. thank you @braxophone!

i recommend upgrading ur main dps' echos to max regardless of sub stats just to utilize the main stat so u can actually farm faster

It's crazy hard to find a good substat in wuwa for now, the material you need to level up the echo is nuts

My favorite character is Jinhsi.. We will be there when she drops later this month

Looking at substats in HSR i found out that there is no way to get the same stat as the main stat (as a substat).
I did so by examining at least 100 relics. Not one of them had it.
BUT in WuWa you can actually get something like Crit% main + crit% sub which i think it was interesting.

Personally, I first go for fully leveled full set of 5 star echoes with decent main stats first before doing this since I want to quickly make a decent team first then I min-max the substats next. That way, my point of comparison when choosing whether to keep levelling the echo is the existing echo.

i wish we could feed our extra echoes into the ones we wanna build. even at Union level 40, the echo exp drops are so little still. i know they will be increasing the rewards in the future for tacet fields but yeah building echoes feels so tedious atm

I need a video on getting Echo Levelling Materials a lot more than figuring out substats right now. But good video still

What are your thoughts on 4-4-1-1-1 havoc having dreamless and crownless?

Honestly the best tip is to not sweat it out. Especially before UL40. And it's not even about an "MMO grindset", you're just gated by the resources the game gives you and the mobs that spawn even if you pity exploit them. If you don't want to farm that much then just get the right main start and get a +25 on all of them. Maybe only try to swap an echo if it has more than 2 bad stats. Min-maxing like this is hilarious on a game with not that challenging content honestly. (Or, challenge comes from you knowing the boss mechanics instead of a dps check) You're just end up loosing tuners and wasting a ton of resources and stamina for like 200 more dps in the grand scheme of things. If nothing else, doing it right now is hilariously bad waste of time as you can always loose the 50/50 on purple rarity on top of all the rng bullsh*t.

Thanks for the echo guide!👌😊

In the early game Im not gonna be too picky, just 1 crit n 1 more good stat, then go to +20 n use the piece until like UL40 or 45 to clear the content. Then in the endgame when I can farm comfortably I will be more picky. It is just a personal choice, because I want to have an easier time farming, and not just aim for endgame gear right off the bat

This will be great for endgame!
right now i am still in the "any stat is better than no stats" where i would rather have a full set of Lv25 echos with imperfect stats, than 50 different unused wasted exp echoes that are at Lv 10 and like one echo with wonderfull substats.
in the future can go grind for perfect ones, for now i am just happy when i get a 5* with the right main stat that i want from the right set i want.
Maybe when i am like Union Level 50+ and a master of dodging i will also be super picky with substats. Now i am ok with a + def%, it makes me survive a bit better.

Good advice man

Thanks for the tips I have terrible echos 😢

Very helpful video

I feel like crit rate main stat hates me as I got 3 crit rate main stats and 21 crit DMG main stats on my dreamless. Then when I look at the purples, 20 of them have crit rate as the main stat...

Imma save this guide when the game released on console bcs my phone still couldn't handle it, good guide though

The issue I have with only leveling to 5 or 10 is that you save a lot of exp, but I ran out of tuners fast haha.

I just rolled defense dreamless and tuned it to level 5 directly and immediately realized my mistake 😢

I thought Encore is giving us a middle finger in the thumbnail lol

not even a perfect dreamless, begins to show the best dreamless ive seen anywhere XDDD

In prydwen the substat possibilities are different idk if its outdated or was a typo

I've being grinding for straight 4days searching for a havoc bonus with sun ecplise set 💀but those echoes aint even dropping or doesnt even give me the set i want im going nuts

can someone please help me understand why genshin and other games i can play on highest graphics mobile no issues but withering waves lowest graphic still has issues?? what’s the reason???

Farming for Calcharo and Yinlin... Mostly Fusion Herons and even when I get an Electro one, it's not an Electro DMG%+ one. The pain is real and I'm getting real tired. Finally got ONE Electro Heron with the Electro damage. First stat flat DEF. Fine, lets see the second.. DEF%. Yeah, I don't think I'll ever go beyond the first stat unless it's Crit from now on. Thanks for the vid!

Can you make a guide on the standard characters?

Ever since cbt2,I realized that the 3-cost set-matching elemental pieces would be a nightmare to obtain. I wrote a feedback suggesting to reduce rng, so that we don't get electro dmg piece of fusion set, this was one of the biggest flaw of the echo system for me, along with inability to recycle them at the time of cbt2. But they kept that rng thing anyway, so now we have this abomination.

It's crazy how rng substats and their are tiers(rolls) for the percentages 😂
You have to be godly lucky for the perfect one

Yo guys any advice how to get more credits without consuming waveplates???

Thanks for the video, it is a solid tip! unfortunately for me, i did the thing you said not to do (level echoes to 25 instantly) 😅

Does the 3 Cost elites comes back after a duration?

Someone Tell Me Why Can’t I Absorb More Echos…. I Already Have That Echo But Not Good One Like Crit So I Find The Same One But When i Defeat That Thing It Just Doesn’t Turn Golden And Vanishes 😭

Hey i wanna ask, which one is better for building a unit ?
1. Cost 3 : 2 element dmg bonus + Cost 1 : 2 atk%
Or
2. Cost 3 : 1 element dmg bonus + cost 3 : 1 atk% + cost 1 : 2 atk%
Im really confused because some people build with no 1, other with no. 2

Wishing this video existed like two days ago 😭

Another issue on that is the echo upgrade materials. Because when you get to UN 30 and up, those materials are going to be super scarce. Especially for f2p players. Hope they could add dedicated domains to only get echo upgrade materials.

really hope they eventually give a better way of getting tuners

Fav and gonna main Camellya.

I'm pretty sure I'm about to get every other element stat on that one set I have besides the same element.

When I'm equipping echoes should I go for 433111, 44111 or 444?
I'm trying to build Baizhi to have high HP and Healing Bonus, I tried to go for 433111 but the 3-cost enemies only drop atk stats and the cost-4 enemies all drop healing bonus.
Should I switch to a 444 build for Baizhi since I have multiple of them that have healing bonus with hp substats?
I'm not sure bcuz I feel like I might be losing some extra hp bonuses if I don't go for 433111

Anyways bro so what if u spent a whole week doing thisband now u have no more echo exp?

Hoping Kuro would let us use lvl 1 echoes to level up the echoes that we need since right now it only allows us to use echoes that are levelled up. I only want this feature since tacet suppressions does not really give that much for me to level my echoes properly 😅

Yeah considering how unlucky you can be with some echo if out of 5 substats 2 are bad, that is still a win for me. It will get the job done until eventually one offers what you need

I stop farming 5-set echoes and start farming lingering tunes and moonlight set for 3 cost echoes.
It's easier to slap whatever dmg bonus you get in lingering tunes/moonlight to other character.
With 2 sets-2 sets...
It's easier to get 43311, 44111, and 4431
I am happy with my Encore using Glacio echo boss for her echo skills